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Title: [poll] Revival
Post by: Xathan on June 26, 2006, 11:14:35 AM
Ok, so I think Cebegia has been stagnant long enough. The problem is, how do we revive it? This thread is dedicated to discussion potential plans to increase interest.

My first through it to make development more interactive. Taking a page out of WitchHunt's book and using the Aniga model. For those of you who haven't read it, in essance everyone is creating a continent and developing it through time. We could do the same thing with the city states, with a group of people controlling the Empire. Other suggestions are welcome, as are reasons WHY no one is posting here. Also, if you think Cebegia should stay dead, or don't want to participate, please explain why.


Title: [poll] Revival
Post by: Jürgen Hubert on June 26, 2006, 11:21:46 AM
For those of us who came in late, what is Cebegia?


Title: [poll] Revival
Post by: Xathan on June 26, 2006, 11:26:57 AM
That might be part of the problem. I have to run, but the short story is that Cebegia is the community world begun by us here at the CBG awhile back - everything in the Community World Building Project forum is Cebegia.


Title: [poll] Revival
Post by: Jürgen Hubert on June 26, 2006, 11:37:57 AM
How about setting it up as a Wiki?

It might help having it in some sort of organized form...


Title: [poll] Revival
Post by: Numinous on June 26, 2006, 12:31:27 PM
My primary reason for not working on CeBeGia was time constraints, but with the arrival of summer, I now have no limits in that respect.  If others are willing to chip in, I'd greatly like to see the communit world revived.

I oppose a general division of the world, as demonstrated in the Aniga Project.  It will lead to an innate division of the world based on the various writers' personal choices.

I think that some sort of job detail could be useful however.  By aligning people with tasks based upon their talents, we might make more progress.

My primary reason for not helping too much before was that I feared a single person with too much effect on the world would sway it's nature too much to his own liking and alienate others from the project.

Anyway, I look forward to seeing this project revived.


Title: [poll] Revival
Post by: Poseptune on June 26, 2006, 01:25:01 PM
I would like to see Cebegia back on the factory floor. I was reading along when it was active, but stayed quiet. If it becomes active again I'll pitch if needed


Title: [poll] Revival
Post by: CYMRO on June 26, 2006, 01:49:46 PM
I was away doing the RL thing when this project got really going, but I am willing to, like Thing or Igor, lend a hand.


Title: [poll] Revival
Post by: Ishmayl-Retired on June 26, 2006, 04:18:00 PM
Sounds like a good way to get started here... letting the discussion roll and all.  I've made Xathan the moderator on this forum as well, and if Turin wants to jump back in on it like originally, then he will have mod priviledges here as well.   Here are a few things I'll toss out:

Wiki is probably not going to happen.  At least, not for awhile.  The Wiki plugins for e107 are crappy at best, and down right dangerous (to the database) at worse.  Possibly, if they're ever updated, we'll move to that.

I agree that this shouldn't be an "Aniga-type" project; everyone should have a say in everything, with good, general world-cohesion throughout.  In fact, it may be an interesting idea to try to develop the history of the world (from creation to present) first, and then fill in the heavy details later, just to keep things organized.

Finally, no one should be limited on what they can and cannot work on at a time.  I agree that certain things should be worked on before other things (nations of a continent should come before famous NPCs, in my oh-so-humble opinion), but other than the extreme ones, if someone wants to offer a race, let him offer a race.  If someone wants to develop a spell - or heaven forbid, an entire magic system - let him.  The limitations should be for practical reasons, and they should be few and far between.  

Okay, I'm done.  With that said, I'm leaving things in Xathan's hands, and plan on being a contributor here, rather than a leader.

Cheers!
-Ish


Title: [poll] Revival
Post by: Hoers on June 26, 2006, 05:04:43 PM

Quote

"Aniga-type" project; everyone should have a say in everything, with good, general world-cohesion throughout.


I'm not sure what this means in relation to the Aniga Project. Does it come off as something other than a purely collaborative effort?


Title: [poll] Revival
Post by: Ishmayl-Retired on June 26, 2006, 05:13:00 PM
Sorry WitchHunt, didn't mean it to come across as any-sort-of-offensive.  I was just referencing Xathan's statement here:

Xathan


Taking a page out of WitchHunt's book and using the Aniga model. For those of you who haven't read it, in essance everyone is creating a continent and developing it through time. We could do the same thing with the city states, with a group of people controlling the Empire.


It seems to say that everyone works on their own thing at their own time, and my sentiment is that everyone should collaborate and work on things together, so as the entire world has a cohesive feel to it.  I apologize if I took Xathan's statement too much out of context, since I haven't read most of the Aniga Project at this time.


Title: [poll] Revival
Post by: Hoers on June 26, 2006, 05:21:00 PM
Well, it does begin as an individual thing that happens all on the same planet, and converges as each race finally develops modes of transportation that allow it to interact with other races far across the sea. I'd say that it is collaborative all the way through. :) No offense taken, I just didn't know what was happening with opinions on Aniga, and figured maybe some people thought I was the "head" of the project since I post so much in it.


Title: [poll] Revival
Post by: Túrin on June 27, 2006, 08:13:13 AM
Okay, I'm still willing to act as the leader/guider/moderator/editor/whatever of this project, though if Xathan has some really good ideas and wants to take over, that's cool with me too. Like many of the people who were active on this project (especially considering I was leading it) I was (and am) afraid that the project will go too much in one direction (in this case, my direction). Hence, if I keep leading it, I will be JUST leading it. That is, I will only provide ideas and suggestions when the discussion falls flat, rather than getting into deep discussions. So, if you guys start discussing again, I'm ready to guide where necessary and open voting threads and keep the summary up-to-date.

As for where to start, developing history more thoroughly seems like a good idea, though if someone is willing to run a PbP in Cebegia we should be willing to give developing material to support that game first priority.

For those who are confused:
Cebegia is the campaign setting that is being built cooperatively by the CBG community. See this thread (http://www.thecbg.org/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?3077) (and really this entire subforum) for more information.

Túrin


Title: [poll] Revival
Post by: Xathan on June 27, 2006, 10:26:29 AM
I have no intention of taking over from you, Turin - If I do, it would be to hard for me to resist temptation to just dominate the development of Cebegia. I'm going to work mainly as 'concept development' and helping you lead the forums - IE, I'll only get into the hard stuff as needed. If the forum drags, I'll start getting down and dirty and trying to revive it.

I'm glad to see so much interesting in getting this off the ground again. We have some thoughts for and against the Aniga Method, so my basic question is now how do you want to start this back up?


Title: [poll] Revival
Post by: Poseptune on June 27, 2006, 02:03:29 PM
A summary of what has been decided and issues that are still open would help those who weren't here a couple months ago when it all died.

A rough timeline might make writing the history a little easier and should be semi-quick to do. After that we would have a rough idea about the history and can decide what to work on next. Whether it is the full blown history text or working on the current standings of the world for any PbP game.


Title: [poll] Revival
Post by: Jürgen Hubert on June 27, 2006, 02:39:00 PM

Poseidon


A summary of what has been decided and issues that are still open would help those who weren't here a couple months ago when it all died.

A rough timeline might make writing the history a little easier and should be semi-quick to do. After that we would have a rough idea about the history and can decide what to work on next. Whether it is the full blown history text or working on the current standings of the world for any PbP game.


And for all that, a Wiki might be a good place to put that information. Wikis are fairly self-organizing, and everyone can work on it whenever he is in the mood and see his changes immediately.


Title: [poll] Revival
Post by: Ishmayl-Retired on June 27, 2006, 03:56:35 PM
Jurgen, here's what I posted above about a wiki:

Ishmayl, about 3 posts ago


Wiki is probably not going to happen. At least, not for awhile. The Wiki plugins for e107 are crappy at best, and down right dangerous (to the database) at worse. Possibly, if they're ever updated, we'll move to that.


Title: [poll] Revival
Post by: brainface on June 27, 2006, 05:15:28 PM
There's nothing stopping us from having a non-e107 wiki. It'd have to have different (or no) logins, but that doesn't really cause me worry.


Title: [poll] Revival
Post by: limetom on June 27, 2006, 06:38:51 PM
Check out the thread I just posted.

You're welcome.


Title: [poll] Revival
Post by: Ishmayl-Retired on June 27, 2006, 08:44:20 PM
Brainface is working on one for the site... it doesn't really make much sense to me to be spreading the content out on multiple sites (such as the separate IRC site and such)


Title: [poll] Revival
Post by: Ishmayl-Retired on June 27, 2006, 09:07:05 PM
Okay, working on getting a bit of a wiki goin here... a couple things to think about:

Can just anyone submit anything they want and it automatically shows up, or should you do an authorization process (much like the content on this site) that Xathan (or Turin) would have to look over and approve.

Do you want anyone at all that is registered on the CBG to be able to edit anything on the wiki, or should only certain members (those who are actually going to be active) be allowed to edit anything?

That's it for now, maybe we should figure this out.


Title: [poll] Revival
Post by: Poseptune on June 27, 2006, 10:10:43 PM
I think limiting the editing abilities is the way to go. Once something is completed it should go to the leader(s) for clean up and posting. That is if the leader(s) want that type of responsiblity and work. Only having a few people able to edit the Cebegia Wiki would mean that they would probably have a considerable amount of work to do. If nobody want the responsiblity then I guess it would have to be editible by any member of CBG. Allowing anyone registered to the CBG to edit it could be dangerous. We have been lucky so far, everyone here is ("mostly") mature, but it would only take one childish person to come along and taint months of work. I will try to be active in this second coming of Cebegia, but I don't think I will need the ability to edit a Wiki.

--I hoped that made sense. I will edit it in the morning, if it doesn't. I need sleep.

Edit:eh nm then


Title: [poll] Revival
Post by: brainface on June 27, 2006, 10:40:47 PM
Meh, you can rollback wikis. Like you can see a changelog and ip list of who made the changes. And then undo them. Deleting months of effort in mediawiki would take a truly ironic amount of work.

I put one up at http://thecbg.org/wiki , (totally usurping limetoms work :|). It's currently set to allow anything to edit. We can restrict settings later if we need to. I'm not too concerned about it right now.


Title: [poll] Revival
Post by: Poseptune on June 28, 2006, 07:04:43 AM
Ok so I guess allowing all registered members of CBG to edit would be fine.


Title: [poll] Revival
Post by: Ishmayl-Retired on June 28, 2006, 04:23:40 PM
Yeah, we can probably do that for now.  I see no problem with it.  Let's let Xathan and Turin make the final decision though.


Title: [poll] Revival
Post by: Xathan on June 28, 2006, 04:24:44 PM
I'm fine with it, so long as Turin oks it - I want him to still lead this project, since he had it from the beginning. (and, frankly, knows more about it than I do) :)


Title: [poll] Revival
Post by: Túrin on June 29, 2006, 08:32:06 AM
As for the Wiki:
1) someone will have to explain to me how it works and what I'm expected to do;
2) someone please restate the benefit of using a Wiki over our current format (dicussion and vote threads in a forum), I didn't quite catch that.

Other than that, let's get back into this.
Túrin


Title: [poll] Revival
Post by: Ishmayl-Retired on June 29, 2006, 03:45:53 PM
I think the main benefit, Turin, is that it's a more immediately-organized form for presenting the content.  Meaning, the way a wiki works lets you build indexes, tables of content, links systems, and well-structured pages without having to know any real code, or without having to have a moderator's editing abilities on the first thread (for example).


Title: [poll] Revival
Post by: Poseptune on June 29, 2006, 09:57:55 PM
We would still use the vote and discussion here. After we have made a decision would be cleaned up and then placed on the Wiki.


Title: [poll] Revival
Post by: brainface on June 29, 2006, 11:37:43 PM
I dunno about putting limits on how content can be added when there's currently no content for this being created at all. I figured the point of the wiki was to make casual additions possible?



Title: [poll] Revival
Post by: MittenNinja on May 07, 2007, 05:42:17 PM
I would be more than happy to head up a division or task in the creation process. Plus the idea of a community setting is something that really appeals to me. I'm all in.


Title: [poll] Revival
Post by: Griznuq on February 29, 2008, 10:27:28 AM
I'd certainly lend a hand if there is still an opportunity.


Title: [poll] Revival
Post by: Wensleydale on February 29, 2008, 12:23:44 PM
Yeah, I'm in. For the third time. :P


Title: [poll] Revival
Post by: Haphazzard on February 29, 2008, 04:13:47 PM
Sounds genious to me.  Count me in.


Title: [poll] Revival
Post by: LordVreeg on February 29, 2008, 07:39:13 PM
Fine.
I'll go grab some Fragrant Oils, Blessed candles and Asslewood embers.  

Because this will mean yet another Thread Necromancy.
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(Is there some gaming situation analogous to this?  A body of a valiant warrior left behind, found by newcomers to the caravan route, maybe?  
"He looks like he was pretty cool...Shall we Raise Him?"
"Cool..Yeah!"
A voice from the front of the caravan, imperious yet whining....,"Well, guys, that guy's been Raised, like, five times, and he keeps getting killed every time we bring him back...He's not what I'd call hardy.")


Title: [poll] Revival
Post by: Poseptune on March 01, 2008, 09:30:31 PM

Griznuq


I'd certainly lend a hand if there is still an opportunity.



Cebegia is always waiting for someone to work on it.

Sorry I haven't responded sooner. I just worked 32 hours with only 4 hours of sleep. Not much time to get to the computer.

If people are still interested in Cebegia, I can schedule some time to go through things once again. I stopped when interest dropped.


Title: [poll] Revival
Post by: LordVreeg on March 01, 2008, 10:03:16 PM
yeah, Wensleydale gamely started responding when we Raised the 'Empire thread'.  Your help and guidance is always appreciated.


Title: [poll] Revival
Post by: Poseptune on April 13, 2008, 01:43:40 PM
People said they were interested in the community setting. I'm trying to revive it and I have a little help from LordVeeg and Snargash. Where are the rest of you bums? What do I have to do to get people to discuss the community setting?


Title: [poll] Revival
Post by: Snargash Moonclaw on April 13, 2008, 05:35:57 PM
Maybe a paragraph in News mentioning some of the more intriguing/unusual ideas being brought up and linking to the threads containing them. "<Saintanists> accuse <Bardic College of training terrorists,> claim links to <Palace-tinman Literary Organ-donors>." I've been basically throwing my 2 cents into whatever thread topics pique my curiosity; it's probably obvious by now that I don't have a handle on the overall scope of the setting's development so far. Then again, maybe not. As an army veteran I'm both highly trained and very experienced in operating effectively in complete ignorance of the big picture and what's really going on. . .


Title: [poll] Revival
Post by: Ishmayl-Retired on April 13, 2008, 07:42:36 PM
That's a good idea, Snargash - Poseidon, if you get me a good write up, (1 or 2 paragraphs, with links), I'll put it in the Roundup I'm planning on doing this Tuesday.


Title: [poll] Revival
Post by: Poseptune on April 13, 2008, 08:42:40 PM
Hhhhhmmmm, maybe I will. Is that by Tuesday night, or is that by Midnight Monday for Tuesday?


Title: [poll] Revival
Post by: Ishmayl-Retired on April 13, 2008, 08:46:43 PM
I will probably be putting up the news post Tuesday afternoon


Title: [poll] Revival
Post by: SDragon on April 13, 2008, 09:30:10 PM
Nothing really constructive to add to this thread yet, but...

LordVreeg


...Asslewood...


I'm not sure I'm really familiar with this kind of wood. Is it hard to split?


Title: [poll] Revival
Post by: Tombowings on April 13, 2008, 09:36:25 PM
I'm in.


Title: [poll] Revival
Post by: LordVreeg on April 13, 2008, 11:21:20 PM
[blockquote=S&M]Then again, maybe not. As an army veteran I'm both highly trained and very experienced in operating effectively in complete ignorance of the big picture and what's really going on. [/blockquote]A tremendously self aware statement.  How rare.

Asslewood is a Celtrician Wood derived directly from the House of Earth.  Stronger than any native wood, and attuned strongly to magic from the House of Earth, asslewood is incredibly rare and valuable.  There are s till a few groves in Celtrician, but all are hidden.  Since you asked. :D

I will, as always, try to be helpful here.  Things are insane, but I am sure everyone has time issues, so I will just do my best.


Title: [poll] Revival
Post by: SDragon on April 14, 2008, 08:06:20 PM

LordVreeg

Asslewood is a Celtrician Wood derived directly from the House of Earth.  Stronger than any native wood, and attuned strongly to magic from the House of Earth, asslewood is incredibly rare and valuable.  There are s till a few groves in Celtrician, but all are hidden.  Since you asked. :D


So it is hard to split. How amusingly ironic.